flint40
why do we cook bacon but bake cookies? 🤔🤔🤔
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Post by flint40 on Oct 22, 2024 21:17:57 GMT
Last round, Iz got A tier. The world if Iz had actual HP and didn't die to Li'l Doge. Next up is Iz the Dancer of Grief. Vote on where you think Iz the Dancer of Grief deserves to be in the tier list and tell me why if you can.
Rules in case you don't remember:
Vote on where the uber goes on the tier list based on viability
The placement with the most votes is where that uber goes on the tier list.
If there's a tie, I will do some goofy thing to decide the tiebreaker.
You can only vote for a tier that is listed in the tier list
The next set of ubers is decided by a wheel that was rolled (the order is already set now)
If you have any more questions, ask me.
Pinglist (I'm restarting the pinglist so if you want to be pinged just ask):
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ajthaboss1234
"It's not gambling if you know your winning" think about that when you draw a garentuee
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Post by ajthaboss1234 on Oct 22, 2024 21:49:53 GMT
A i think. She actually has good health in comparison to her counterpart. She's kinda like a nerved version of d'arkt. Plus really good shield piercer. And arguably one of the best traitless specialist in the game aswell.
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circ
Not very responsible with Catseyes
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Post by circ on Oct 22, 2024 22:24:03 GMT
A+, her immunity to pretty much everything makes her one of the most versatile units in the game, I use her all the time for shield piercing and toxic stages when there are no better options for it. Not to mention insane DPS against traitless but not bad against traited either. Only issue is her low range makes her fall off a bit as an attacker in late-end game where everything can shred through your frontlines easily, but it's not as big of an issue for her as it is for her Uberfest counterpart.
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MarcTheCrazy
I'm Marc I'm craycray, I'm a pretty good debater and someone to ask about uber meta. Izanagi>Balrog
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Post by MarcTheCrazy on Oct 22, 2024 22:40:48 GMT
A, she's worse than Iz and Gao, but not B tier worthy
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Post by Anonymous Crouton on Oct 22, 2024 22:54:52 GMT
A, good utility, but relies a lot on strengthen for damage, and doesnt really do much as a generalist. For comparison at level 50 they have margianally more damage than a level 50+10 pizza cat (13,210 dps vs. 15,767 dps strengthened), while having worse survivabilty, 3x the cost, and 2.5x the cooldown.
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MarcTheCrazy
I'm Marc I'm craycray, I'm a pretty good debater and someone to ask about uber meta. Izanagi>Balrog
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Post by MarcTheCrazy on Oct 22, 2024 23:03:10 GMT
Also, reminder we need to get Himeyuri and Vigler up a tier and both Gaos down a tier next re-evaluation, IK I had like 3 others but I don't remember em
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Post by Anonymous Crouton on Oct 22, 2024 23:42:52 GMT
and as an anti traitless, they have the most competition out of pretty much any other anti-traitless with hitman, or for low range traitless bw-floating cat. Here are some stat comparisons please note iz is definitely not going to be strengthened the whole time, and even when they are they still lose pretty often. Iz also has shitty multi hit that honestly just sucks ass, and makes her lose a lot of dps, and her omni is no where near big enough to compensate. Whats even worse is that hitman has ld, giving 4x the pierce, and bw flying has cracked 100% slow with over 100% uptime and mini wave half of the time to slow anything else that happens to get hit by it. Furthermore, if you use research combos these bw flying can build up like more dps than strengthend iz in like, 6 seconds. Now, obviosly Iz does still have a lot of bulk, is a lot faster, and has good utility with being immune to pretty much everything in the game, while also have 100% s. pierce which is why they are still A tier, even if they are kinda crappy as an anti traitless. (bonus fact, since her range is so low it prevents her from even being useful on a lot of the crazed and manic stages, which just sucks since she cant even progression skip like other epic fests)
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SneeryBasket508
You took them away from me. You hurt them. Now I’m going to hurt you.
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Post by SneeryBasket508 on Oct 23, 2024 1:16:02 GMT
A+
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Post by Anonymous Crouton on Oct 23, 2024 1:31:51 GMT
mf im going to strangle you
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ajthaboss1234
"It's not gambling if you know your winning" think about that when you draw a garentuee
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Post by ajthaboss1234 on Oct 23, 2024 1:51:17 GMT
and as an anti traitless, they have the most competition out of pretty much any other anti-traitless with hitman, or for low range traitless bw-floating cat. Here are some stat comparisons please note iz is definitely not going to be strengthened the whole time, and even when they are they still lose pretty often. Iz also has shitty multi hit that honestly just sucks ass, and makes her lose a lot of dps, and her omni is no where near big enough to compensate. Whats even worse is that hitman has ld, giving 4x the pierce, and bw flying has cracked 100% slow with over 100% uptime and mini wave half of the time to slow anything else that happens to get hit by it. Furthermore, if you use research combos these bw flying can build up like more dps than strengthend iz in like, 6 seconds. Now, obviosly Iz does still have a lot of bulk, is a lot faster, and has good utility with being immune to pretty much everything in the game, while also have 100% s. pierce which is why they are still A tier, even if they are kinda crappy as an anti traitless. (bonus fact, since her range is so low it prevents her from even being useful on a lot of the crazed and manic stages, which just sucks since she cant even progression skip like other epic fests) Congratulations you passed your test! You get an A+!
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Post by Anonymous Crouton on Oct 23, 2024 3:06:00 GMT
you probably didnt even read it, and probably think they are better than s. gao as an anti traitless. Why do i even bother writing these out when ppl dont even think of actual practicality and instead just vote based on how much they like a unit without any regards to being objective 😔
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circ
Not very responsible with Catseyes
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Post by circ on Oct 23, 2024 3:48:49 GMT
I won't deny that Diz has flaws and is outclassed by other anti-traitless ubers like D'arkt or S. Gao but her main appeal to me is her immunity to all debuffs rather than her (still good) damage. It makes me put her above some ubers in A tier simply because she's such a safe pick and absolutely demolishes any stage that relies on enemies that debuff, and is an absolute beast in Aku stages granted she can land hits in which she can do just fine with her decent bulk. Ofc with the advent of Hitman and Barrel there's less reason to use her, but that speaks more towards their power than anything else. She's not going to be a permanent main-stay in your lineups once you acquire more specialized counters to different threats, but can be incredibly useful for filling in those gaps where you might not have a fitting unit.
Her multihit sucks tho that's true lol
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circ
Not very responsible with Catseyes
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Post by circ on Oct 23, 2024 3:50:20 GMT
For that purpose, she is more useful than Lasvoss imo because of her high speed but it can vary.
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ajthaboss1234
"It's not gambling if you know your winning" think about that when you draw a garentuee
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Post by ajthaboss1234 on Oct 23, 2024 3:52:27 GMT
you probably didnt even read it, and probably think they are better than s. gao as an anti traitless. Why do i even bother writing these out when ppl dont even think of actual practicality and instead just vote based on how much they like a unit without any regards to being objective 😔 Dont worry bro I read the whole thing and looked at the stats and I completely agree with your point I was just being funny
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Post by Anonymous Crouton on Oct 23, 2024 5:38:29 GMT
I won't deny that Diz has flaws and is outclassed by other anti-traitless ubers like D'arkt or S. Gao but her main appeal to me is her immunity to all debuffs rather than her (still good) damage. It makes me put her above some ubers in A tier simply because she's such a safe pick and absolutely demolishes any stage that relies on enemies that debuff, and is an absolute beast in Aku stages granted she can land hits in which she can do just fine with her decent bulk. Ofc with the advent of Hitman and Barrel there's less reason to use her, but that speaks more towards their power than anything else. She's not going to be a permanent main-stay in your lineups once you acquire more specialized counters to different threats, but can be incredibly useful for filling in those gaps where you might not have a fitting unit. Her multihit sucks tho that's true lol The majority of the ubers in A tier have some overwhelming strength in some niche, or strong usage across a lot of places, and that's what puts them in this tier. Additionally for someone to go into A+ tier they must be better than everyone in A tier, not just some of them. Diz does have rather decent usage as an anti aku, but only as a shield piercer, she perferms quite poorly compare to other anti aku beyond that. Her low damage per hit makes sure that you will never be skipping any kbs, so the shield will be right back up, + her dps is awful without strengthen. Her range is low as well, and her pierce isnt great either. Barrel does a fantastic job when his range doesnt matter, so iz filling the same role doesnt privide as much value as they may appear to at first. By comparison Lilin is a far stronger anti aku. Her stats are much better than diz's along with have much greater pierce, allowing her to break the shields of everyone on the field, not just those she has direct access to (50 pierce does not count). Lilin is mainly held back by bad survivability, but somehow diz is even worse, and by a good margin too. High speed, low range, and low kb counts is awful for a utility unit. Also the speed thing makes no sense, lasvoss with talents has 18 speed. If you are comparing them to pre-tf lasvoss i can agree with you (ignoring the combo), since he does suck pretty bad before tf. But this list is evaluating ubers at absolute max, level 60 max talents, so this doesnt matter.
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Post by Anonymous Crouton on Oct 23, 2024 5:39:38 GMT
you probably didnt even read it, and probably think they are better than s. gao as an anti traitless. Why do i even bother writing these out when ppl dont even think of actual practicality and instead just vote based on how much they like a unit without any regards to being objective 😔 Dont worry bro I read the whole thing and looked at the stats and I completely agree with your point I was just being funny oh mb lol, you didnt change your vote so i figured you still disagreed.
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Post by Anonymous Crouton on Oct 23, 2024 5:41:35 GMT
btw i don't think she is the worst in a tier, i can confidently say that garu, tropical kalisa, drednot, R.E.I., and ditama are worse than her.
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Post by BaniTheBunny on Oct 23, 2024 6:01:40 GMT
A+, anonymous yapped too much so I'll vote a tier higher bc of that
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Post by Anonymous Crouton on Oct 23, 2024 7:01:42 GMT
you are soup
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flint40
why do we cook bacon but bake cookies? 🤔🤔🤔
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Post by flint40 on Oct 23, 2024 7:16:01 GMT
What kind of soup though?
Cause soup is goated.
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dmsvesper1
I'm not very active, but I'll be around. (Also #1 Dark Mitama Glazer)
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Post by dmsvesper1 on Oct 23, 2024 11:12:32 GMT
A Tier, Crouton made some very good points that I agree with. Outclasses by Dark’t, and faces competition with Hitman, but she has Shield Piercing so she gets A Tier.
Also, why did she get so much utility? I wish Iz got the abilities Iz has, she’d be so much better😭
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Post by BaniTheBunny on Oct 23, 2024 11:15:16 GMT
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